dandrahn > yes/no question

dan jones is a perfect example of why blogs rule. i see dan pretty regular (not enough); and i think i know where he comes from on a lot of big-ticket dude issues. that said, that doesn’t mean i’m not psyched to hear him write, or dig on his print persona. the man is always interesting – and not in that “damning with faint praise” way that you’d use to describe a good friends’ edie brickell-ish album.

here’s a rad interview, par example.

and then here’s the effing moneyshot, dan’s half-review of my man clinton heylin’s babylon’s burning, which i will need to read so soon as i want to need reading punk books again, which’ll probably be soon but would be sooner if they’d just give andrew earles a contract to do a flip your wig book.

i like hearing dan riff on punk because like me i think, he’s halfway befuddled to find himself still ruminating on something like “punk,” but also still having flabergasting amounts of fun with the tv party et al.

so read the fancy dan blog and then ponder this yes/no question, augmenting it or not augmenting it with sentences of pro/con testimony:

in your opinion, do questions like “what’s punk in 2007?” or “is punk dead?” have anything to do with the music’s being “dangerous” or not? extra credit: “dangerous” = what? 


4 Responses to “dandrahn > yes/no question”

  1. Raenie Says:

    Punk isn’t “punk” anymore. It was a time and place restricted movement, if you will.
    It’s ability to attract so much attention yet stay out of the mainstream was a big part of it’s “danger” vibe. It was scary because people looked weird and the music was messy and political or messy and honest about messy life stuff.
    Punk today doesn’t look weird or scream about anything shocking. It is still and avenue for young people to express their dissatisfactions with being young, but the message is no longer one that scares adults. It is fashion and a way for kids to start bands in their garages and release records all by themselves that is much more accepted and, thanks to technology, a lot cheaper and easier to do.
    It used to be dirty and loud and difficult for most people to interpret. It was a secret world that kids got to live in with their angst and keep grown-ups out of. Now it’s all shiny and pretty and exposed/exploited.
    Punk has major record label managers and distribution. Mohawks are no more scary than permanents and dark clothing and thick black make-up doesn’t shock anybody. It’s just ugly.
    Punks are now parents, wondering why their kids think techno and eccstacy is cool.

  2. david Says:

    I’d say these guys are dangerous:


    I never heard of FSU until this month’s Rolling Stone (not punk) profiled em. Scary.

  3. lexdexter Says:

    1) raenie, exactly. but what about just talking about “The music, man?” cuz i think “punk” changed “rock” for the better. even if you can say that television and nirvana owed it all to the stooges and velvets (who were punk before “punk”, and thus rock. there really was kinda no precedent for the pixies, husker du, sonic youth, minutemen, etc. – now none of those bands are necessarily orthodox punk, but they couldn’t’ve existed without it. every time we hear the steve albini drum sound on a faith hill single, we acknowledge punk’s sonic legacy, at least. but that’s where we get back to the question of punk being “dangerous.” is it enough that the music itself has turned out to be influential. why the pretense that punk, which like rock in general never had a political effect on anything EVER, is somehow supposed to still be subterranean, anarchic and radical? i know you don’t share that expectation, but a lot of people do… sometimes i think i can fall into it, and i’ve no idea why. probably because i wasn’t there when “it” happened, so it’s easy to overinflate?

  4. lexdexter Says:

    2) david, exactly. for every ian mackaye, steve albini and jello biafra, we get 796 jockbags with chains, who’re more conservative than their Reagan Democrat parents. i think about shit like this and mumble, pass the fucking Ratdog bootlegs, gym class is over!

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